Cat Greenleaf has always had a gift for making people talk. It’s what made Talk Stoop iconic—celebrities plopped on her Brooklyn steps, sudsy coffee in hand, opening up in ways they never planned to. She’s a four-time Emmy-winning interviewer for a reason. But on this episode of The Sober Curator Podcast, Cat reveals that sobriety has flipped that gift back on her—and this time, she’s the one doing the talking.
It’s the kind of episode that reminds you: sobriety isn’t neat, filtered, or curated to perfection. It’s messy. It’s wise. It’s ridiculous. It’s real. And in Cat’s case… it occasionally involves peeing your pants during a back-to-back guest booking with Tom Arnold and Art Alexakis.
The Moment Sobriety Got Real
Cat describes the early years of her sobriety as a kind of self-imposed exile. “I was a lone wolf,” she admits. “Until I started Soberness, I wasn’t part of any recovery groups. I was just out here in Coney Island trying to do it alone.”
It’s a familiar story to many of us who white-knuckled our way through early recovery, assuming we were the one person who didn’t need community. But Cat quickly discovered the truth: a lone wolf becomes a loco wolf. Isolation is the express lane back to crazytown.
What changed everything was connection. Interviewing celebrities about sobriety created a common language—an instant shorthand that made her feel less alone. “We’re picking up mid-conversation,” she says. “There’s no preamble, no explaining who we used to be. We just get each other.”
When Life Hands You Tom Arnold and Art Alexakis…
If you listen to the episode for one reason, let it be Cat’s now-infamous back-to-back booking mishap.
Picture it: Cat mid-interview with Tom Arnold, bladder on the brink, when Everclear frontman Art Alexakis logs into the Zoom waiting room ten minutes early. Before she can excuse herself, Tom insists she bring him in. Suddenly she’s hosting a one-woman Sober Jaws symposium—with two men out-trauma-bonding each other while she sits frozen in agony.
She held it.
She tried.
She lost.
She peed.
And in one of the best sober punchlines ever delivered, she announces: “I have to buy a new office chair.”
It’s not just hilarious. It’s profoundly relatable. Sobriety doesn’t turn you into a graceful goddess of emotional regulation. Sometimes it just hands you a pee story and says: Use it for the plot.
The Good, The Bad, and the Bedazzled
The conversation swerves—as all good sober chats do—from parental trauma to crafting while high to why nobody warned women that sneezing after 40 becomes a full-contact sport.
And then there’s her long friendship with Paul Reubens (Pee-wee Herman), including:
- birthday calls every hour on her birthday
- a collection of “beautiful, elaborate Christmas cards”
- which she didn’t know included hidden dicks until her husband pointed them out
Cat doesn’t just tell stories—she reveals humanity. Her humor lands because it’s grounded in grief, growth, and a sober awareness of the world’s ridiculousness.
What Recovery Actually Looks Like Now
Cat’s toolkit is simple and refreshingly unpretentious:
- Ocean singing. Her favorite audience.
- Coffee—by the stein.
- Work. Not hustle culture—creative service.
- Boundaries. Occasionally enforced with a bag of dog poop thrown (gently-ish) toward a guy who refused to pick up after his dogs.
Her life now isn’t perfect or highly optimized. It’s not a Pinterest board of sober aesthetic. It’s something better: aligned.
What Cat Teaches Us Without Saying It
The gold in this episode isn’t the humor—though there’s plenty. It’s the clarity that comes from a woman who’s lived many lives and finally decided to live the one she wants.
Cat Greenleaf is reinventing herself again, but this time she’s not doing it for a network, a brand, or a ratings sheet. She’s doing it with her sober mind, her full heart, and a microphone pointed inward.
Sobriety, she reminds us, is not about being good.
It’s about being here.
Being awake.
Being in your body—even when it betrays you during a celebrity interview.
And maybe that’s the real sober stoop: a place where we show up exactly as we are, laugh at the messy parts, and tell the truth anyway.
- Cat Greenleaf — SoberNess Podcast Website www.soberness.com
- Cat on Instagram @sobernesspodcast
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This show is for you if you’ve ever wondered:
– Where can I find inspiring sober podcasts, apps, and creators?
– How do I give back or stay plugged into the sober community
– What are the best sober-friendly drinks and travel tips?
– Where do I find the good NA drinks that don’t taste like regret?
The Sober Curator is your go-to for sober pop culture, booze-free travel, apps, creators, and community.
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We’re here to help you live sober—and love it.
In this gripping episode, Alysse sits down with filmmaker Benjamin Flaherty for a powerful conversation about the business behind addiction recovery — and why too many families are left carrying shame, confusion, and financial devastation while trying to save their loved ones. Benjamin’s documentary exposes the economics, ethics, and emotional fallout inside the modern treatment industry, while also honoring the parents, advocates, and survivors who continue fighting for change.
From medically assisted treatment debates to the insurance inequalities that shape who gets quality care, this episode goes deeper than most sober conversations dare to go. It’s raw, urgent, and grounded in truth — the kind of discussion that can only happen in a space built for honesty.
Takeaways:
Families aren’t alone. Many parents attend screenings thinking their child’s exploitation or treatment experience was “their fault” — Benjamin’s film shows the systemic patterns behind the pain.
Recovery has an economic engine. Benjamin describes the shocking moment he realized how profitability shapes care, access, and outcomes in the treatment world.
Insurance determines who gets humane care. Both Benjamin and Alysse reflect on how “good insurance” gave them safe recovery environments — an advantage many don’t have.
Pop culture shapes our understanding. Films like Dopesick, Painkiller, Pain Hustlers, Body Brokers help raise awareness but flatten nuance; documentaries add back the complexity.
Conversations spark courage. When parents meet each other at screenings, shame lifts and the real healing begins.
Key Timestamps:
00:06:40 — Benjamin’s turning point: quitting alcohol & cocaine in high-pressure advertising
00:07:45 — The myth of “the next milestone” that will magically fix everything
00:08:20 — Why treatment is the only major health process most people don’t understand
00:26:26 — Parents finding relief and validation through the film
00:27:00 — The economics of recovery: what families aren’t told
00:28:00 — Alysse shares her own insurance-based experience and privilege in treatment access
00:28:20 — Pop culture portrayals of recovery & exploitation (Body Brokers, Painkiller, Dopesick)
00:41:56 — The media Benjamin loves — and what representations resonate most
Resources & Links:
Website / Film https://www.stoptheshuffle.com/
Instagram: @benjaminflaherty
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Sobriety isn’t the end of the party—it’s just the start of a better one. Hosted by Alysse Bryson, media powerhouse and sobriety’s ultimate hype woman, and joined by Sober Curator contributors, The Sober Curator Podcast* delivers bold convos, pop culture deep dives, and zero-proof living that doesn’t suck. Whether you're sober, sober-curious, or just looking for good vibes without the hangover, we’ve got you covered. Subscribe now—because getting sober matters, staying sober matters more.
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