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Welcome to Leaving CrazyTown, a podcast by Dr. Sarah Michaud and Finn Allen. They help navigate life’s ups and downs, including codependency. With personal experiences and mental health expertise, they offer insights and strategies to overcome challenges and lead fulfilling lives. Episodes cover anxiety, depression, relationships, and self-improvement. This podcast is for anyone seeking guidance to improve mental health and well-being. Join Leaving CrazyTown and start your journey to a happier, healthier life.
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In this Leaving CrazyTown x Eternally Amy crossover, Dr. Sarah Michaud joins Amy Liz Harrison for a Boozeless Book Club deep dive into Elizabeth Gilbert’s “Eat, Pray, Love” aftermath and the complex layers of love addiction, codependency, and emotional recovery.Together, they unpack how relationships can become the new addiction — and how self-awareness, radical honesty, and recovery tools can pull us back from the brink. It’s a raw, funny, and deeply human conversation about obsession, boundaries, and learning to let go with love.
Key Takeways
Codependency isn’t care — it’s control in disguise. We rationalize, rescue, and lose ourselves believing we’re helping.
Love addiction mimics substance addiction. That chemical “high” of early romance can hijack logic and keep us stuck in fantasy.
Denial runs deep. Whether it’s alcohol, love, or someone else’s chaos — our minds will justify anything to avoid loss.
Recovery is responsibility. Owning “my part” doesn’t mean taking all the blame — it means claiming my healing.
Letting go isn’t abandonment. It’s choosing freedom over fantasy, truth over chaos, and peace over control.
Key Timestamps
[00:02:10] The reality of codependency: it’s not just about addicts
[00:06:45] Love addiction and that early “high”
[00:12:00] Denial, rationalization, and the bitters metaphor
[00:22:30] The trap of self-abandonment in relationships
[00:33:00] Boundaries, separation, and self-responsibility
[00:46:00] Recovery tools from the Big Book that still hold true
[00:52:00] Owning your part, making the call, and telling the truth
Amyiz Harrison “Eat, Pray, Love” and related works
Women, Sex, and Addiction by Charlotte Kasl
Co Crazy by Dr. Sarah Michaud
Al-Anon & SLAA resources
Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins (contrast discussed)
Resources & Mentions
Amy Liz Harrison “Eat, Pray, Love” and related works
Women, Sex, and Addiction by Charlotte Kasl
Co Crazy by Dr. Sarah Michaud
Al-Anon & SLAA resources
Let Them Theory by Mel Robbins (contrast discussed)
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Leaving CrazyTown is a raw, real-talk podcast hosted by Finn and Dr. Sarah Michaud, two recovering addicts turned relatable guides on the wild ride of codependency healing. Each episode dives deep into the chaos of dysfunctional relationships, identity loss, and emotional recovery—with humor, honesty, and hope. If you loved this conversation, subscribe, rate, and review Leaving CrazyTown—and share it with a friend ready to reclaim their voice and leave confusion behind. 🔗 Website: drsarahmichaud.com | YouTube: @leavingcrazytown
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Meet Your Hosts - Sarah Michaud & Finn Allen
Dr. Sarah Michaud is a clinical psychologist who has worked in the field of addiction, recovery, and codependency for over thirty years. She began her career at a well-known psychiatric hospital outside of Boston and helped create the rehab program for a new residential center. Having achieved her own sobriety from alcohol and cocaine since 1984, Sarah brings her experience, education, and expertise to working with people and groups who struggle with difficult relationships and addiction. She is known for her sense of humor and direct approach to treatment.
Dr. Sarah Michaud is the author of the book CoCrazy: One Psychologist’s Recovery from Codependency and Addiction Memoir and Manual to Freedom. Her latest adventure is co-hosting the YouTube channel Leaving CrazyTown with her friend Finn, a sober transgender attorney. They discuss serious and difficult topics with a sense of humor. She believes sobriety is about living your best life, finding peace, and experiencing joy. Finding freedom from addiction and codependent relationships allows you to find that joy.
Finn Allen, a sober tax attorney by day and a Codependency Recovery YouTube channel co-host at night.
Finn’s first suicide attempt was before age ten because he was “raised” by “wolves.” He discovered achievement as a way to manage and survive trauma/abuse. This resulted in numerous degrees and, eventually, becoming a tax attorney. Numbers, we can control.
He got sober in 2016, precipitating the transition from his identity with achievement to a new attachment and dedication to live a joyous, connected life.
In 2020, Finn met Dr. Sarah Michaud in a twelve-step Zoom meeting. They decided to create an online codependency recovery group focused on solutions, empowering relationships, and finding freedom from repetitive patterns of connection. It was during the co-hosting of this group that Finn could accept that he was transgender. Ironically the name of the group was Coming Home to Ourselves. Finn’s transition has led to many comical and not-so-comical growth opportunities. Despite the challenges, he is finally home in his body and the world.
Finn and Sarah launched their YouTube channel, Leaving CrazyTown, in the fall of 2022 as a way to reach a larger audience and support people in healing from codependency and addiction while experiencing joy, laughter, self-compassion and the journey home to who you were always meant to be.
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