“Today I am sober and you are sober.”
That’s how the episode ends — two grown women wearing alien headbands, debating whether the ocean is actually space. Because let’s be honest, sobriety doesn’t mean you stop asking weird questions. It just means you remember to hydrate between them.
The internet is currently losing its collective mind over something called 3I Atlas — apparently the third interstellar visitor to enter our solar system. Detected in July 2025, moving like it knew where it was going, and then—because drama loves a plot twist—it vanished for 19 seconds before popping back up. Cue NASA’s website going dark during a government shutdown and voilà: TikTok had content for days.
Tamar and I did what any sober Gen X women would do: laugh first, then ask better questions.
The Dread We Used to Drink About
Let’s call it out: cosmic dread used to be a drinking cue.
Aliens, elections, wars, climate doom, or that one headline about “scientists discovering something mysterious in space”—all solid excuses to pour another glass.
“I used to drink to avoid dread,” Alysse says. “Because dread feels like powerlessness.”
And nothing makes humans feel more powerless than the idea that something massive, ancient, or off-planet is headed our way and we have zero say in it.
So we do what we’ve been conditioned to do: doom scroll, obsess over 19-second YouTube clips, and convince ourselves we just need to know what’s really going on. “It’s a probe.” “It’s a psyop.” “It’s Project Blue Beam.” “It’s fallen angels.”
Because once you can name it, it feels smaller.
The Recovery Reframe
Tamar nails it: if aliens were coming, would some people drink over it? Absolutely.
Not because aliens are terrifying—but because they were already looking for a reason.
“Those are people who were gonna drink anyway,” is what you’ll hear me say in this video. “There’s something they haven’t made peace with on the inside.”
That’s the heartbeat of sober pop culture: the world will always hand you a reason to escape. Sobriety just keeps whispering back—choose clarity.
Space vs. The Sea: We’re the Ants
And here’s where it gets deliciously humbling: we claim to know what’s out in space, yet 90% of our own ocean remains unexplored. “We know more about space than the ocean, we’re basically ants trying to explain the galaxy.”
But there’s freedom in that. Ants don’t run the universe. They just do the next ant thing.
That’s recovery energy right there: stay present, stay curious, and stop pretending we’re supposed to control the cosmos.
The Sober Superpower of 2025
We’re living in a world where AI can fake space footage, government sites crash at inconvenient moments, and viral creators can build a cult following off 11 minutes of “research.”
Discernment is a recovery tool now.
Be careful, friends. There’s a lot of fake out there.
That’s not paranoia. That’s sobriety.
Final Landing
Uncertainty isn’t a relapse cue.
We don’t have to drink just because the universe is big.
Curiosity can be sober.
You can stream UAP documentaries and sip a tinfoil mocktail.
Presence still wins.
“Today I am sober and you are sober.”
That’s the whole ballgame.
So if the UAPs show up wearing top knots, great.
If it’s just a rock, also great.
If it’s a psyop—well, we’ll podcast about it.
Either way, we’re meeting it with clear eyes and no hangover.
Come for the conspiracy. Stay for the clarity.
And if the aliens put their pants on one leg at a time like the rest of us… We’ll save them a seat on the sober side.
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This show is for you if you’ve ever wondered:
– Where can I find inspiring sober podcasts, apps, and creators?
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In this hilariously honest and deeply human conversation, Emmy-winning host Cat Greenleaf joins Alysse to spill all the sober tea—from peeing her pants during a double-booking with Tom Arnold and Art Alexakis, to discovering what sobriety actually looks like when you're no longer a “lone wolf.” Cat opens up about service, creativity, aging, friendship with Pee-wee Herman, crafting on cocaine, and the real emotional glow-up that happens when you stop pretending and start living. This episode is equal parts chaos, charm, confessions, and zero-proof realness.
Takeaways: Sobriety gets richer when you stop isolating and start connecting with people who speak your language.
Cat’s shift from “lone wolf” to community deepened her recovery—and her sanity.
Golden-age celebrity stories? Yes please. Especially ones involving Pee-wee Herman sending hourly birthday messages.
Creativity, addiction, and reinvention always have a wild intersection (including cocaine-fueled stenciling).
“Zero fucks given” remains a valid business plan—and a liberating way to live.
Key Timestamps:
[00:01:47] — Cat Greenleaf arrives: The sober stoop era begins.
[00:04:30] — “Sometimes I wish I’d shut the f*ck up”: Cat on oversharing in recovery.
[00:06:13] — The Tom Arnold + Art Alexakis pee-your-pants saga.
[00:11:00] — Pee-wee Herman memories: birthday calls & inappropriate Christmas cards.
[00:14:21] — Cocaine + crafting: Cat and Alysse trade hilarious addiction-era stories.
[00:17:00] — Hobby obsessions, lone-wolf recovery, and life after chaos.
[00:22:00] — The infamous dog-poop showdown on Cat’s beach.
[00:23:56] — The healing power of work, ocean singing, and coffee.
Resources & Links:
Cat Greenleaf — SoberNess Podcast Website https://www.soberness.com/
Cat on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/sobernesspodcast/
Cat on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@sobernesspodcast
Cat on Apple https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/soberness-podcast/id1768121457
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–LBGTQ+ Recovery Resource Guide
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Sobriety isn’t the end of the party—it’s just the start of a better one. Hosted by Alysse Bryson, media powerhouse and sobriety’s ultimate hype woman, and joined by Sober Curator contributors, The Sober Curator Podcast* delivers bold convos, pop culture deep dives, and zero-proof living that doesn’t suck. Whether you're sober, sober-curious, or just looking for good vibes without the hangover, we’ve got you covered. Subscribe now—because getting sober matters, staying sober matters more.
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