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Leaving Crazy Town Podcast

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Welcome to Leaving CrazyTown, a podcast by Dr. Sarah Michaud and Finn Allen. They help navigate life’s ups and downs, including codependency. With personal experiences and mental health expertise, they offer insights and strategies to overcome challenges and lead fulfilling lives. Episodes cover anxiety, depression, relationships, and self-improvement. This podcast is for anyone seeking guidance to improve mental health and well-being. Join Leaving CrazyTown and start your journey to a happier, healthier life.

Leaving CrazyTown
Leaving CrazyTown
Nothing to Defend: The Communication Shift That Heals Codependency
byDr. Sarah Michaud and Finn Allen

In this episode of Leaving CrazyTown, Finn and Dr. Sarah break down a deceptively simple but life-changing concept: there is nothing to defend. Through humor, real-life role-play, and honest reflection, they explore how defensiveness, ghosting, and emotional shutdown sabotage connection—and how validation, curiosity, and clarity create safety instead. If you’ve ever felt misunderstood, reactive, or stuck in communication loops, this conversation offers a grounded path out of CrazyTown and into emotional freedom.Key Takeaways

  • Defensiveness blocks connection—even when your intentions are good

  • Validating someone’s feelings doesn’t mean agreeing with their story

  • Telling yourself a story isn’t the same as telling the truth

  • Clear, direct communication prevents resentment from leaking sideways

  • Healing codependency starts with emotional responsibility, not blame

Key Timestamps

  • [00:01] — Introducing “There Is Nothing to Defend”

  • [00:02] — What defensiveness actually sounds like in real life

  • [00:04] — Ghosting, shutdowns, and passive aggression explained

  • [00:05] — Sharing feelings without blame

  • [00:06] — Validation vs. agreement: the crucial distinction

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If this episode hit home, subscribe, rate, and review Leaving CrazyTown—and share it with someone who’s tired of defending themselves just to feel understood.

Leaving CrazyTown is a raw, real-talk podcast hosted by Finn and Dr. Sarah Michaud, two recovering addicts turned relatable guides on the wild ride of codependency healing. Each episode dives deep into the chaos of dysfunctional relationships, identity loss, and emotional recovery—with humor, honesty, and hope. Subscribe and buckle up—we’re leaving CrazyTown.

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Meet Your Hosts - Sarah Michaud & Finn Allen

Dr. Sarah Michaud is a clinical psychologist who has worked in the field of addiction, recovery, and codependency for over thirty years. She began her career at a well-known psychiatric hospital outside of Boston and helped create the rehab program for a new residential center. Having achieved her own sobriety from alcohol and cocaine since 1984, Sarah brings her experience, education, and expertise to working with people and groups who struggle with difficult relationships and addiction. She is known for her sense of humor and direct approach to treatment.

Dr. Sarah Michaud is the author of the book CoCrazy: One Psychologist’s Recovery from Codependency and Addiction Memoir and Manual to Freedom. Her latest adventure is co-hosting the YouTube channel Leaving CrazyTown with her friend Finn, a sober transgender attorney. They discuss serious and difficult topics with a sense of humor. She believes sobriety is about living your best life, finding peace, and experiencing joy. Finding freedom from addiction and codependent relationships allows you to find that joy.

Finn Allen, a sober tax attorney by day and a Codependency Recovery YouTube channel co-host at night.

Finn’s first suicide attempt was before age ten because he was “raised” by “wolves.” He discovered achievement as a way to manage and survive trauma/abuse.  This resulted in numerous degrees and, eventually, becoming a tax attorney.  Numbers, we can control.

He got sober in 2016, precipitating the transition from his identity with achievement to a new attachment and dedication to live a joyous, connected life.

In 2020, Finn met Dr. Sarah Michaud in a twelve-step Zoom meeting. They decided to create an online codependency recovery group focused on solutions, empowering relationships, and finding freedom from repetitive patterns of connection. It was during the co-hosting of this group that Finn could accept that he was transgender. Ironically the name of the group was Coming Home to Ourselves. Finn’s transition has led to many comical and not-so-comical growth opportunities.  Despite the challenges, he is finally home in his body and the world. 

Finn and Sarah launched their YouTube channel, Leaving CrazyTown, in the fall of 2022 as a way to reach a larger audience and support people in healing from codependency and addiction while experiencing joy, laughter, self-compassion and the journey home to who you were always meant to be. 

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