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Leaving Crazy Town Podcast

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Welcome to Leaving CrazyTown, a podcast by Dr. Sarah Michaud and Finn Allen. They help navigate life’s ups and downs, including codependency. With personal experiences and mental health expertise, they offer insights and strategies to overcome challenges and lead fulfilling lives. Episodes cover anxiety, depression, relationships, and self-improvement. This podcast is for anyone seeking guidance to improve mental health and well-being. Join Leaving CrazyTown and start your journey to a happier, healthier life.

Leaving CrazyTown
Leaving CrazyTown
Why You’re Stuck in a Shame Spiral (and How to Get Out)
byDr. Sarah Michaud and Finn Allen

Shame spirals: we all know them, we all hate them, and most of us try to outrun them. In this raw, revealing, and hilariously honest conversation, Finn and Dr. Sarah break down what a shame spiral really is, where these intense emotional reactions come from, and why they often have deep roots in childhood patterns. Using Sarah’s real-life moment of “F-bomb shame” as a jumping-off point, the duo explores how old wounds get activated, why our reactions can feel so outsized, and what it takes to recover with compassion, clarity, and grounded truth.Takeaways

  • Shame spirals often signal past trauma or early developmental wounds.

  • Overreactions usually mean the present moment has touched an old story.

  • Self-compassion is the antidote to shame—not self-punishment.“Pull the lens back”: most shame triggers aren’t life-altering in reality

  • Healing requires understanding, kindness, and choosing not to re-abuse yourself.

  • Key Timestamps

    • [00:00] – Welcome back: what shame spirals feel like
    • [01:00] – Recognizing hidden vs. overt shame

    • [02:00] – The “speaking regret” shame spiral

    • [03:00] – Sarah’s F-bomb video story & activation

    • [06:00] – Childhood memories that amplify present shame

    • [10:00] – Tools: pulling back the lens, practicing self-compassion

    • [12:00] – Finn’s shame around talking too much in groups

    • [15:00] – Trauma origins of shame patterns

    • [18:00] – Healing, compassion, and the parent-you-needed approach

    Notable Resources & Guest Links

    • Dr. Sarah Michaud, PsyD — Author of Co Crazy
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    Codependency Recovery: Leaving CrazyTown is a raw, real-talk podcast hosted by Finn and Dr. Sarah Michaud. With humor, honesty, and a healthy dose of clinical insight, they tackle the chaos of dysfunctional relationships and offer real tools for healing. Subscribe wherever you listen and follow @LeavingCrazyTown on social media for more real-talk recovery content.

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    Meet Your Hosts - Sarah Michaud & Finn Allen

    Dr. Sarah Michaud is a clinical psychologist who has worked in the field of addiction, recovery, and codependency for over thirty years. She began her career at a well-known psychiatric hospital outside of Boston and helped create the rehab program for a new residential center. Having achieved her own sobriety from alcohol and cocaine since 1984, Sarah brings her experience, education, and expertise to working with people and groups who struggle with difficult relationships and addiction. She is known for her sense of humor and direct approach to treatment.

    Dr. Sarah Michaud is the author of the book CoCrazy: One Psychologist’s Recovery from Codependency and Addiction Memoir and Manual to Freedom. Her latest adventure is co-hosting the YouTube channel Leaving CrazyTown with her friend Finn, a sober transgender attorney. They discuss serious and difficult topics with a sense of humor. She believes sobriety is about living your best life, finding peace, and experiencing joy. Finding freedom from addiction and codependent relationships allows you to find that joy.

    Finn Allen, a sober tax attorney by day and a Codependency Recovery YouTube channel co-host at night.

    Finn’s first suicide attempt was before age ten because he was “raised” by “wolves.” He discovered achievement as a way to manage and survive trauma/abuse.  This resulted in numerous degrees and, eventually, becoming a tax attorney.  Numbers, we can control.

    He got sober in 2016, precipitating the transition from his identity with achievement to a new attachment and dedication to live a joyous, connected life.

    In 2020, Finn met Dr. Sarah Michaud in a twelve-step Zoom meeting. They decided to create an online codependency recovery group focused on solutions, empowering relationships, and finding freedom from repetitive patterns of connection. It was during the co-hosting of this group that Finn could accept that he was transgender. Ironically the name of the group was Coming Home to Ourselves. Finn’s transition has led to many comical and not-so-comical growth opportunities.  Despite the challenges, he is finally home in his body and the world. 

    Finn and Sarah launched their YouTube channel, Leaving CrazyTown, in the fall of 2022 as a way to reach a larger audience and support people in healing from codependency and addiction while experiencing joy, laughter, self-compassion and the journey home to who you were always meant to be. 

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