This episode is a not-to-miss conversation for anyone curious about how lessons from sports can enrich recovery. Hosted by Alysse Bryson, this dynamic episode welcomes Chris Marshall, founder of Sans Bar, and former college basketball athlete and coach Anne Skriba, co-hosts of the “Clean Play Podcast.” Together, they offer profound insights and genuinely motivating stories about the overlap between athletic devotion, community and living a meaningful sober life.
Why Sports and Sobriety Go Hand in Hand
Anne Skriba gets to the heart of the matter in the opening moments: “I speak the language of sport to relay my experience.” For Anne, the discipline of basketball — the practice, the teamwork, the highs and lows — is the template by which she approaches sobriety. Chris Marshall echoes this, drawing a parallel between training and recovery: “Sobriety is a choice we make every single day. That kind of devotion is much like practicing your free-throw shot every day… That’s devotion. That’s love of the game.”
The why behind the “Clean Play Podcast” is clear — Chris and Anne are passionate about helping others discover that the discipline and perseverance they see in athletes is the same energy that fuels a strong, long-lasting recovery.
Building Authentic Community
A central message of the episode is the power of authentic community in both sports and sobriety. Chris and Anne met during online meetings for The Luckiest Club, a virtual sober support group, and quickly bonded over their shared love of sports and their commitment to living sober. This connection led to forming the “Clean Play Podcast.”
“We just kept talking,” Anne laughs. “Chris was like, ‘We should do a podcast.’ And then we just did it.” Sometimes, the best support is found not on the field, but in the willingness to show up and be vulnerable.
The idea of “just push play” became a metaphor for their approach to recovery and life: commit, show up and keep growing, even when you don’t have it perfectly planned out.
Role Models in Recovery: The Power of Representation
The podcast proudly highlights guests who are breaking ground in both sports and recovery. Chris and Anne share their awe at interviewing Lauren Anderson, the first principal Black ballerina with the Houston Ballet, who now also shares her recovery story. For Chris, Lauren was an icon growing up in Houston — her willingness to be “out and proud” about sobriety was incredibly impactful and rare.
Anne also explains their approach to booking guests: “I just DM’d Lauren… and she was so gracious.” This openness reflects the core belief in Clean Play’s mission — that reaching out, sharing and supporting one another is transformative.
Chris and Anne don’t just focus on celebrities; they spotlight the everyday heroes, like John, a Sans Bar regular whose journey to connection and community in sobriety shows just how powerful sober spaces can be.
A Sober Shift in Sports Culture
The episode shines a light on a growing movement: alcohol-free spaces at sporting events and a new appreciation for wellness among athletes and fans. Alysse describes Recovery Day at the Mariners, an event bringing more than 2,000 sober fans together at the ballpark, with alcohol sales turned off in their section. Anne mentions the Oklahoma City Thunder, who famously skipped the champagne after their NBA win, setting an example for young athletes everywhere.
Chris gives the broader context: “Heineken 0.0 outsells alcoholic Heineken in some countries. Globally, people are drinking less.” Mocktails, nonalcoholic beers and sober tailgates are now mainstream, making it easier than ever to enjoy sports — or life’s big moments — without alcohol.
Key Takeaways
Sobriety as a Daily Practice:
The analogy of sports practice to sobriety is the episode’s central theme. Staying sober isn’t about one big gesture — it’s about daily commitment. Like athletes, sober individuals have to “wake up and decide who [they’re] going to be,” Chris urges.
The Universal Language of Sport:
You don’t have to be an athlete to get the message. Anne often worries about “going too deep” with sports analogies, only to find listeners relate to the lessons of dedication, teamwork and resilience.
Community Makes All the Difference:
Both sports and recovery rely on authentic connection. Whether you’re playing in a stadium or sharing in a support group, having teammates makes both the tough moments and the celebrations richer.
Role Models Matter:
When high-profile people recover out loud, it chips away at stigma and inspires everyone to pursue health and wellness.
Sober Life is Fun:
The episode closes with humor and fashion — from Bryson’s bedazzled Nike shoebox to sneaker talk — illustrating that living alcohol-free doesn’t mean living dull. “From dance floors to the ballpark, sobriety is framed not as deprivation but as embracing life with presence, memory and passion.”
The Brand’s Why: Playing Full Out in Sobriety
Chris and Anne’s enthusiasm for “Clean Play Podcast” and their sober lives is infectious. Their why is devotion — to both recovery and a purposeful, connected, joy-filled life. “You have to find things to do that you enjoy, because you’re giving up something you thought you enjoyed,” Alysse notes.
For Anne, coaching on and off the court is now her calling, helping others navigate identity shifts and find purpose in sobriety. For Chris, community-building remains at the core of Sans Bar and his advocacy.
The “Clean Play Podcast” reminds us that we can transform the energy once spent on self-destruction into the pursuit of greatness, connection and fun — both on the court and far beyond.
Sober or sober-curious, remember: The game of life is best played full out.
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A.J. Daulerio got sober in the middle of the Hulk Hogan trial. Three months in, every defect of character he had was being read to a jury. He calls it fourth step dinner theater.
Then he built The Small Bow, the recovery publication Alysse was embarrassed she didn’t know about: literary essays, free Zoom meetings every day of the week, a podcast, and now a book. Two magazine people and a producer try to name the category they’re in, and mostly fail.
In this episode:
- Why AJ interviews himself in the car (and who he pretends is asking)
- “Sober BuzzFeed” vs. “literary meat”: what each of us is building and who it’s for
- The Harper’s story about AA that made AJ pay $100 a year, and why nobody writes for people who are past rock bottom and a little adrift
- Abstinence, sobriety, recovery: why 12-step is one of nine things AJ does
- The Hulk Hogan trial, the Uber driver who didn’t care, and the lesson in humility
- The Small Book, out Dec. 29
Heads up: this one goes to some dark places, including a reader AJ lost and a friend Alysse lost. Take care while listening.
CHAPTERS
00:00 The train, off the tracks
01:28 AJ interviews himself in the car
05:34 How Alysse found The Small Bow
11:39 “Chicken soup for the dark night of the soul”
14:40 Are we wellness? Sound baths and trust falls
15:19 Sober ten years, and the problems get classier
18:54 Abstinence, sobriety, recovery: 12-step is one of nine
26:35 The Harper’s story that started everything
29:58 Literary meat vs. sober BuzzFeed
41:15 Fourth step dinner theater: the Hulk Hogan trial
46:57 “I’m the writer. I’m the human.”
48:47 “So you met Hulk Hogan?”
57:17 What AJ would tell year one
01:01:59 “Fast-forward to the part they get sober”
Sober Shots:
“You’re allowed to build your whole life around a routine nobody will ever write a headline about.” (Alysse Bryson)
“All the things that I thought were being taken away from me were also the things I needed to let go of the most.” (A.J. Daulerio)
Mentioned in this episode:
– The Small Bow – The Small Book, out Dec. 29 – I’m The Sober Curator, and I Just Found The Small Bow – S2E17 with Paulina Pinsky – Backstage with The Sober Curator
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