The Sober Curator podcast welcomes Sean Daniels — an internationally acclaimed theater director, playwright and executive director of the Recovery Arts Project — who is on a mission to reframe addiction recovery through the transformative power of the arts. This episode is a must-listen for anyone curious about modern sobriety, the evolution of recovery narratives and how honest storytelling can save lives.
Why Sean Daniels? Why the Sober Lifestyle?
Sean Daniels isn’t just a theater powerhouse — he’s a living testament to the life-changing force of recovery. As the creative mind behind the off-Broadway and now London play “The White Chip,” Daniels shares how hitting rock bottom on Oct. 12, 2011, led him to a new beginning. Instead of a standard, somber cautionary tale, Daniels’ journey through addiction, science and family dynamics transformed into work that playfully — and powerfully — shows how vibrant a sober life can be.
What makes Daniels’ story especially compelling is his drive to fill a void in the recovery conversation. As he shares candidly on the podcast: “I know a lot of sober people and nobody has ever said, ‘I watched the Nancy Reagan just say no videos and I got sober that day.’ Never heard that story.” Instead, he realized that the standard teaching-and-preaching style so common in anti-addiction campaigns simply wasn’t connecting on a personal level. What did? Demonstration, authenticity, humor — and seeing others live joyful, flawed, adventurous sober lives.
The Power of Story: Why The White Chip Matters
Daniels’ play, “The White Chip,” a New York Times Critics’ Pick, flips the sullen addiction narrative on its head, using comedy and science to illustrate the journey to recovery. It’s inspired by his personal experiences and championed as a drama that “saves lives” — not with shame or platitudes, but with truth and relatability.
The “why” behind Daniels’ work is simple but profound: Recovery should be talked about openly, with humanity, complexity and hope. The old media tropes of the “rock bottom bum” or the easy relapse don’t serve real people. Daniels believes recovery can — and should — be seen as a process of “post-traumatic growth,” a journey that leads people to become fuller, more authentic versions of themselves.
“We could learn so much from the LGBT community,” Daniels says, citing how coming out stories evolved from tales of trauma to ones of self-actualization. “Our stories are always, you know, like, that we narrowly escaped disaster, because that’s dramatic, I guess. It doesn’t…attract anybody.” Instead, he champions showing how sobriety provides vibrancy, purpose and community — and, yes, real fun.
Getting sober is one thing—but staying sober? That’s where the real adventure begins.
This show is for you if you’ve ever wondered:
– Where can I find inspiring sober podcasts, apps, and creators?
– How do I give back or stay plugged into the sober community
– What are the best sober-friendly drinks and travel tips?
– Where do I find the good NA drinks that don’t taste like regret?
The Sober Curator is your go-to for sober pop culture, booze-free travel, apps, creators, and community.
We’re not here to help you get sober.
We’re here to help you live sober—and love it.
In this hilariously honest and deeply human conversation, Emmy-winning host Cat Greenleaf joins Alysse to spill all the sober tea—from peeing her pants during a double-booking with Tom Arnold and Art Alexakis, to discovering what sobriety actually looks like when you're no longer a “lone wolf.” Cat opens up about service, creativity, aging, friendship with Pee-wee Herman, crafting on cocaine, and the real emotional glow-up that happens when you stop pretending and start living. This episode is equal parts chaos, charm, confessions, and zero-proof realness.
Takeaways: Sobriety gets richer when you stop isolating and start connecting with people who speak your language.
Cat’s shift from “lone wolf” to community deepened her recovery—and her sanity.
Golden-age celebrity stories? Yes please. Especially ones involving Pee-wee Herman sending hourly birthday messages.
Creativity, addiction, and reinvention always have a wild intersection (including cocaine-fueled stenciling).
“Zero fucks given” remains a valid business plan—and a liberating way to live.
Key Timestamps:
[00:01:47] — Cat Greenleaf arrives: The sober stoop era begins.
[00:04:30] — “Sometimes I wish I’d shut the f*ck up”: Cat on oversharing in recovery.
[00:06:13] — The Tom Arnold + Art Alexakis pee-your-pants saga.
[00:11:00] — Pee-wee Herman memories: birthday calls & inappropriate Christmas cards.
[00:14:21] — Cocaine + crafting: Cat and Alysse trade hilarious addiction-era stories.
[00:17:00] — Hobby obsessions, lone-wolf recovery, and life after chaos.
[00:22:00] — The infamous dog-poop showdown on Cat’s beach.
[00:23:56] — The healing power of work, ocean singing, and coffee.
Resources & Links:
Cat Greenleaf — SoberNess Podcast Website https://www.soberness.com/
Cat on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/sobernesspodcast/
Cat on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@sobernesspodcast
Cat on Apple https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/soberness-podcast/id1768121457
TSC Resources & Links:
–Alcohol + Substance Use Disorder Guide
–Recovery Nonprofit Resource Guide
–LBGTQ+ Recovery Resource Guide
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Sobriety isn’t the end of the party—it’s just the start of a better one. Hosted by Alysse Bryson, media powerhouse and sobriety’s ultimate hype woman, and joined by Sober Curator contributors, The Sober Curator Podcast* delivers bold convos, pop culture deep dives, and zero-proof living that doesn’t suck. Whether you're sober, sober-curious, or just looking for good vibes without the hangover, we’ve got you covered. Subscribe now—because getting sober matters, staying sober matters more.
*The Sober Curator Podcast is a space for open and honest conversations about sobriety, recovery, and alcohol-free living. While we celebrate all paths to a sober lifestyle, some topics discussed may be sensitive or triggering for certain listeners. This podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only and is not a substitute for professional advice. If you’re in recovery or exploring sobriety, please take care while listening and seek support from trusted professionals as needed.
Key Takeaways and Insights
1. Recovery is not about perfection — it’s about living out loud.
Host Alysse Bryson and Daniels highlight that the most powerful sobriety message is demonstration. Living your recovery — traveling, creating, parenting, dancing and even enjoying a Diet Coke with pride — shows others that sobriety is not only survivable but deeply rewarding.
2. Science and shame-free conversations are missing pieces.
Daniels’ own turning point came when he met people obsessed with the science of addiction — neuroplasticity, dopamine and genetics — not just the “moral failing” narrative. He shares a parallel to a doctor’s nonjudgmental, science-based conversation about prediabetes, underscoring how much shame-free, factual talk can soften the path for change.
3. Mainstream media still gets it wrong — but the shift has begun.
Daniels, Bryson, and contributor Alexandra Nyman cite frustration with stereotypical, relapse-focused stories in TV, theater and film. However, a cultural shift is underway, with shows and artists depicting more realistic, long-term recovery journeys. Pop culture, Daniels argues, is a crucial tool in destigmatizing and normalizing sobriety.
4. Community and visibility matter — representation saves lives.
Daniels points out that 10% of the U.S. population is in recovery, a number comparable to certain minority groups who have far more visible representation. “We should be…every 10th person you see in a TV show would be in recovery.” He emphasizes that when sober people “come out,” it can literally save lives by breaking isolation and offering real hope.
5. The post-sobriety story deserves just as much attention.
While early recovery gets plenty of airtime, Daniels and the hosts highlight the compelling drama of long-term recovery — what it means to live, grow and take accountability after years or even decades sober. The goal isn’t just not drinking, but building a genuinely great life.
SOBER ENTERTAINMENT: The Arts Must Play a Leading Role in Making Sure No Lives are Lost to Addiction | Sean Daniels
Why Daniels Is Excited About the Sober Life
For Daniels, sobriety isn’t just about what you give up; it’s about everything you gain: a career he loves, being present for his family, vibrant friendships and relentless creativity. “I’m a grateful recovering alcoholic,” he says, not with shame but with joy. He and the podcast team champion the idea that sobriety is the ultimate life hack — a way to show up fully, embrace your quirks and rediscover fun without the hangover.
His work, his enthusiasm and his relentless advocacy point to a simple truth: The stigma of addiction can’t withstand the power of honest, funny and hopeful stories. Whether he’s rallying the arts community, delighting audiences on two continents, or just choosing a Diet Coke over something stronger, Daniels is living proof that recovery is something to celebrate, not hide.
Final Thoughts: Get Inspired, Stay Engaged
This episode of The Sober Curator Podcast stands out as a rallying cry for anyone on the path to recovery, and an essential resource for families, creatives and advocates. By blending art, science and radical honesty, Sean Daniels makes a compelling case: The world needs more stories of hope, more demonstrations of thriving after addiction and more reasons to believe that sobriety is both achievable and exhilarating.
For more, see the show notes for links to the Recovery Arts Project, the latest productions of “The White Chip,” and resources for thriving in sober life. Remember: getting sober matters. Staying sober matters more.
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