He didn’t expect the Giants to win. Nobody did. It was Super Bowl Sunday, the Patriots were undefeated, and Justin Gurland was sitting in rehab on the opposite side of the country from everyone he loved. But the Giants pulled off a ridiculous, against-all-odds victory — and for a 25-year-old heroin addict who’d just landed in detox on his golden birthday, that tiny sports miracle became something bigger: proof that outcomes aren’t fixed, and maybe his life wasn’t either.
Justin explains to me on The Sober Curator Podcast that he didn’t know any sober people when he got clean. None. So his brain did what a lot of ours do: it told him sobriety would be boring, lonely, and gray. The irony? That was already his life. “I was an isolator,” he says. “I’d withdrawn from life. I was worried about what people would think… and I wasn’t even in touch with anyone.”
What changed was people. His younger sister had finally said, “I can’t do this anymore,” and forced a real conversation. His family rallied. The treatment center gave structure. Then the Giants gave him a little laugh in group when he said, “I don’t know what God is, but I know that happened and I can hold onto it.” Sometimes hope is tiny and weird and wrapped in football. But it’s still hope.
Fast-forward 17 years. Justin has built a career helping families in recovery. He’s seen the heartbreak and the beauty. He’s also seen the exhaustion. Social work is holy and it’s heavy. When he felt himself burning out, he didn’t walk away from recovery — he asked a different question:
What if I built a place for people who are doing well?
Not in crisis. Not in active withdrawal. Not in the wreckage stage. People who just… don’t drink. People who did Dry January and loved it. People who live in New York City and want to go out on a Friday and not stand in a bar clutching club soda like a prop. “That community is enormous,” he says. “And honestly, they need people more than we do — because we, in recovery, already have our crew.”
That’s the seed for The Maze.
It’s opening in Flatiron — 24th between 5th and 6th — on purpose. Central, easy for uptown/downtown/Jersey folks, and in a neighborhood that already feels cool. It’ll be closed Mondays, open Tues–Sun for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, with a main dining room, lounge with couches, TVs, and a pool table, plus a speakeasy-style room for private events and sober hangs up to around 35 people, and full buyouts on Mondays. In other words: it functions like the places New Yorkers already love… just alcohol-free.
And yes, it’s pretty. Justin cares about design. He told me he didn’t want it to feel sterile or like a museum — he wanted a place you actually want to sit in. Green shows up in the space because it’s his favorite color (also: kind of on-brand for growth, money, and Manhattan), and the whole room is meant to read “living room, but make it member-y.” If you’ve ever walked into a “recovery” space and immediately clocked the fluorescent lighting and gray carpet, you know why this matters. Aesthetics are part of dignity.
Membership will start capped around 200 so they can see real usage patterns and make sure people can actually get a Friday reservation. This is the part nobody says out loud about sober social spaces: if you make it too open, you ruin the experience; if you make it too closed, you kill the community. He’s threading the needle by staying member-first, but still telling sober travelers, “DM us, we’ll figure it out.”
Beneath the business model is a bigger shift: sobriety is cool now. Or at least, not weird. The online recovery/AF movement that really blew up around 2016–2020 — books, podcasts, meme accounts, zero-proof brands — made it normal to say, “I don’t drink” without also saying, “I had a DUI.” That wave is exactly why a space like The Maze can exist in 2025. As Justin puts it, “I don’t think a place like this could’ve existed even a few years ago.”
But he’s also clear: online can only take us so far. Meeting people in person “locks in that connection.” Energy in the same room hits differently. And maybe that’s the real through-line from Super Bowl Sunday in rehab to this posh, green Flatiron clubhouse: he’s still creating spaces where people can feel that same little flash of “maybe everything’s going to be okay.”
If you’re sober or sober-curious and NYC is on your map, add The Maze to your list — and then go listen to the full episode for the origin story, the rehab group laughter, and the part where he says: if you want him to train for a marathon with you… don’t call him. 😂 But do make sure to follow along with them on IG @themazenyc and stay in the NYC sober know.
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In this lively roundtable, The Sober Curator crew dives deep into Mel Robbins’ viral book ”The Let Them Theory ” — and the controversy swirling around it. Hosts Alysse Bryson and Tamar Routly welcome guests Dr. Sarah Michaud, Megan Swan, Tony Harte, Carolyn Bunn and Amy Liz Harrison for a spirited discussion on whether ”Let Them” is really a theory, how it fits into codependency work, and what it misses for people in recovery. Expect strong opinions, a healthy dose of sass and more than a few laughs as the group rates the book and explores what boundary-setting means in sober life.
Timestamps:
[00:00] – Dr. Sarah Michaud opens with a critical question: Can people actually ”let them”?
[01:13] – Show intros: Meet The Sober Curator Podcast hosts and this week's panel of sober experts.
[02:56] – What is Mel Robbins' ”The Let Them Theory” all about? Pop culture, controversy and viral moments.
[05:06] – Meet the guests! Panelists weigh in on their first impressions.
[08:56] – Dr. Sarah and Tony Harte debate: is this really a theory, or just marketing?
[11:05] – Copyright, tattoos and the story behind ”Let Them”: Is it original?
[15:17] – Can everyday people really apply ”The Let Them Theory” in real life — or in recovery?
[18:37] – Amy Liz Harrison shares a personal story about friendships, boundaries and people-pleasing.
[20:19] – Apologize, back off, celebrate progress? The panel critiques Mel's proposed solution.
[24:00] – Megan Swan: ”This book isn't for people with deep trauma” — who is the real audience?
[33:24] – Alysse Bryson on how sober circles are NOT the norm for most people.
[34:53] – Indie publishing, bestsellers and grandiosity: Should we trademark ”Let Me”?
[44:12] – Put a Sobee on it! The panel gives their Sobee Scores for Mel Robbins' ”The Let Them Theory”
Resources & Links:
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–Book: ”The Let Them Theory”
–Alcohol + Substance Use Disorder Guide
–Recovery Nonprofit Resource Guide
–LBGTQ+ Recovery Resource Guide
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