He didn’t expect the Giants to win. Nobody did. It was Super Bowl Sunday, the Patriots were undefeated, and Justin Gurland was sitting in rehab on the opposite side of the country from everyone he loved. But the Giants pulled off a ridiculous, against-all-odds victory — and for a 25-year-old heroin addict who’d just landed in detox on his golden birthday, that tiny sports miracle became something bigger: proof that outcomes aren’t fixed, and maybe his life wasn’t either.
Justin explains to me on The Sober Curator Podcast that he didn’t know any sober people when he got clean. None. So his brain did what a lot of ours do: it told him sobriety would be boring, lonely, and gray. The irony? That was already his life. “I was an isolator,” he says. “I’d withdrawn from life. I was worried about what people would think… and I wasn’t even in touch with anyone.”
What changed was people. His younger sister had finally said, “I can’t do this anymore,” and forced a real conversation. His family rallied. The treatment center gave structure. Then the Giants gave him a little laugh in group when he said, “I don’t know what God is, but I know that happened and I can hold onto it.” Sometimes hope is tiny and weird and wrapped in football. But it’s still hope.
Fast-forward 17 years. Justin has built a career helping families in recovery. He’s seen the heartbreak and the beauty. He’s also seen the exhaustion. Social work is holy and it’s heavy. When he felt himself burning out, he didn’t walk away from recovery — he asked a different question:
What if I built a place for people who are doing well?
Not in crisis. Not in active withdrawal. Not in the wreckage stage. People who just… don’t drink. People who did Dry January and loved it. People who live in New York City and want to go out on a Friday and not stand in a bar clutching club soda like a prop. “That community is enormous,” he says. “And honestly, they need people more than we do — because we, in recovery, already have our crew.”
That’s the seed for The Maze.
It’s opening in Flatiron — 24th between 5th and 6th — on purpose. Central, easy for uptown/downtown/Jersey folks, and in a neighborhood that already feels cool. It’ll be closed Mondays, open Tues–Sun for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, with a main dining room, lounge with couches, TVs, and a pool table, plus a speakeasy-style room for private events and sober hangs up to around 35 people, and full buyouts on Mondays. In other words: it functions like the places New Yorkers already love… just alcohol-free.
And yes, it’s pretty. Justin cares about design. He told me he didn’t want it to feel sterile or like a museum — he wanted a place you actually want to sit in. Green shows up in the space because it’s his favorite color (also: kind of on-brand for growth, money, and Manhattan), and the whole room is meant to read “living room, but make it member-y.” If you’ve ever walked into a “recovery” space and immediately clocked the fluorescent lighting and gray carpet, you know why this matters. Aesthetics are part of dignity.
Membership will start capped around 200 so they can see real usage patterns and make sure people can actually get a Friday reservation. This is the part nobody says out loud about sober social spaces: if you make it too open, you ruin the experience; if you make it too closed, you kill the community. He’s threading the needle by staying member-first, but still telling sober travelers, “DM us, we’ll figure it out.”
Beneath the business model is a bigger shift: sobriety is cool now. Or at least, not weird. The online recovery/AF movement that really blew up around 2016–2020 — books, podcasts, meme accounts, zero-proof brands — made it normal to say, “I don’t drink” without also saying, “I had a DUI.” That wave is exactly why a space like The Maze can exist in 2025. As Justin puts it, “I don’t think a place like this could’ve existed even a few years ago.”
But he’s also clear: online can only take us so far. Meeting people in person “locks in that connection.” Energy in the same room hits differently. And maybe that’s the real through-line from Super Bowl Sunday in rehab to this posh, green Flatiron clubhouse: he’s still creating spaces where people can feel that same little flash of “maybe everything’s going to be okay.”
If you’re sober or sober-curious and NYC is on your map, add The Maze to your list — and then go listen to the full episode for the origin story, the rehab group laughter, and the part where he says: if you want him to train for a marathon with you… don’t call him. ???? But do make sure to follow along with them on IG @themazenyc and stay in the NYC sober know.
Listen to the full convo on The Sober Curator Podcast — because getting sober matters, staying sober matters more.

Hosted by Alysse Bryson & Tamar Routly, and produced by Podcast Impact Studio, The Sober Curator Podcast brings sober lifestyle, pop culture, & recovery to the mic. Alongside Alysse & Tamar, rotating global contributors join as co-hosts to explore zero-proof drinks, sober travel, quit lit, entertainment, & mental health. This is sober media with personality, perspective, & a glitter bomb of honesty. Sober-curious or living alcohol-free, we’ve got you! We’re not here to help you get sober. We’re here to help you live sober: and love it.
It starts in a hotel lobby in Orlando. It ends with an invitation to Scottsdale. In between: inflatable walkers, a steam-filled hotel bathroom, Dollywood in full Dolly drag, sumo suits bought in bulk, and every sober travel hack we actually use.
Alysse and Tamar are joined by ride-or-die Sober Curator Amy Liz Harrison (50+ articles, 8 kids, airline-executive husband, carry-on always over the weight limit) for a masterclass in traveling sober and loving it. Because here's the thing about sober travel: you remember everything. Including the reason you got kicked out.
In this episode:
The Golden Girls incident at PodFest Orlando, and how Amy steamed an entire hotel bathroom trying to inflate a walker (ADHD time blindness is real, friends)
Dressed as Dolly at Dollywood. You would think there would be more of us. You would be wrong.
The airport hack every sober traveler should know: asking the gate agent to page ”a friend of Bill W.” Tamar has done it three times. People showed up.
Amy's research on 26 airports with interfaith prayer rooms, meditation spaces, and sensory-friendly quiet rooms, born from wishing recovery had its own USO
Why wearing sober merch while traveling turns strangers into your people (it's a team jersey, and your team is sober)
Travel hacks: Amy's secret-compartment vest, Tamar's carry-on conversion, and the time we got kicked out of the Neon Museum gift shop with our arms full of merchandise
THE BIG ONE: Cover Story, The Sober Curator's first-ever retreat
Cover Story Retreat: October 15 to 18, 2026
You didn't get sober to sit in the back row. Four days and three nights at the brand-new Kimpton Miralina Resort & Villas in Paradise Valley (Scottsdale), Arizona, in partnership with Evolve Retreats. All meals and NA beverages included. A 30-minute on-location photo shoot with photographer Barbie Hull. B-roll captured for you all weekend. A costume outing (it's Sober October, we will deliver). A group-built Sober in Scottsdale city guide. A live podcast recording. Sound baths and hikes for the wellness people, shopping and art galleries for the rest of us.
$3,299 single / $2,700 double. Prices go up August 21. Small group, think dinner party, not conference.
➤ Details + booking: https://evolveretreats.co/cover-story
Sober Shots from this episode:
”I've never had so much fun traveling as I have as a sober person because, wait for it, I remember everything.” (Alysse)
”What do we feel like doing today? Let's get in sumo costumes.” (Amy)
”It's the same thing as wearing a jersey. It's just your team sober.” (Amy)
”We don't need a lot of reason to do something dumb. Very little runway and we're taking off.” (Alysse)
”You didn't get sober to sit in the back row.” (Alysse)
Links + Goodies:
Cover Story Retreat: https://evolveretreats.co/cover-story
The Sober Curator luggage line (40% off for Backstage members): https://shopthesobercurator.com
Amy's 26 Airports article: https://thesobercurator.com/sober-travel-airport-quiet-rooms/
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