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Leaving CrazyTown: Navigating Codependency in Marriage – A Conversation with Megan Swan


Are you struggling to understand the dynamics of codependency in relationships and marriages? In a recent episode of “Leaving Crazy Town with Finn and Dr. Sarah,” the hosts, along with special guest Megan Swan, delved into the complex and often toxic behavior patterns associated with codependency and how it impacts intimate relationships. Megan Swan, known for her work in wellness and sobriety, shared her journey of self-discovery and personal growth while navigating codependency within her marriage.

The podcast episode opened with an introduction of Megan Swan, highlighting her background in wellness and her experience as a fellow curator in a community focused on sobriety. The hosts and Megan engaged in a candid conversation about their past struggles with codependency, shedding light on the misconceptions and challenges faced in attempting to control their partners’ behaviors while neglecting their own needs.

Throughout the episode, Megan Swan shared personal experiences, emphasizing the detrimental impact of transferring her efforts to control her alcoholism onto her husband’s drinking habits. She reflected on her tendency to micromanage his behavior, painting herself as the savior and him as the one in need of change. The discussion unfolded to reveal how this power dynamic hindered their growth as a couple, ultimately leading to a realization of the need for individual introspection and mutual evolution within the marriage.

Megan Swan’s introspective journey unearthed the destructive nature of codependent behaviors, highlighting the false belief that saving or fixing a partner equates to personal satisfaction. This candid conversation revealed the compounded effects of codependency, prompting the hosts and Megan Swan to dissect specific scenarios and behaviors that did not contribute positively to the relationship, contrasted with strategies that resulted in tangible progress.

The episode further explored the challenge of effectively communicating needs and desires within a relationship, emphasizing the importance of addressing personal needs while allowing the freedom of choice for the partner. The conversation shifted to the gender differences in communication and perception, touching upon the nuances of how men and women process and express their needs, oftentimes leading to misunderstandings and unmet expectations.

As the episode unfolded, Megan Swan delved into her journey of self-awareness and evolution within her marriage, highlighting pivotal moments of realization and the willingness to seek external support to guide the couple through their challenges. The discussion brought to light the journey of humility, vulnerability, and the necessity of acknowledging the ineffectiveness of current behavioral patterns to facilitate meaningful change within the marriage.

The conversation extended beyond personal experiences, delving into the broader realm of wellness, with Megan Swan sharing insights into the themes she addresses in her podcast, “Wellness as a Way of Life.” From discussions on perimenopause and menopause to exploring the unique relationship between feminine energy, women’s hormones, and cacao, Megan Swan’s podcast serves as a valuable resource for individuals navigating various aspects of wellness.

In closing, the episode left the audience with valuable insights into the complexities of codependency within marriages, emphasizing the significance of vulnerability, open communication, and the acknowledgment of personal growth as essential components of fostering healthy relationships. Megan Swan’s journey, combined with the expertise shared through her podcast, offers a comprehensive understanding of wellness and personal growth, showcasing the importance of seeking external support to navigate through life’s intricate challenges.

If you’re seeking profound insights into codependency, marriage dynamics, and overall wellness from the perspective of an experienced curator, Megan Swan’s podcast and her insightful contributions to “Leaving Crazy Town with Finn and Dr. Sarah” offer a wealth of valuable knowledge for those navigating their own journeys of self-discovery and growth within their relationships and beyond.

Leaving CrazyTown Timestamps:

00:00 – Introduction

03:15 – Discussion on Codependency in Relationships

10:45 – Interview with Megan Swan

20:30 – Q&A Session

30:15 – Closing Thoughts


LEAVING CRAZYTOWN: Welcome to Leaving CrazyTown, a YouTube channel created by Dr. Sarah Michaud and Finn Allen dedicated to helping individuals navigate the ups and downs of life, including the struggle with codependency. Through their personal experiences and expertise in mental health, they offer unfiltered insights and strategies to help viewers overcome challenges and lead more fulfilling lives.

Their videos cover topics such as anxiety, depression, relationships, self-improvement, and much more. This channel is for anyone looking for guidance and motivation to improve their mental health, relationships, and overall well-being. Join the Leaving CrazyTown community today and take the first step towards a happier and healthier life.


Welcome to the Wellness as a Way of Life where we talk about how to master your health and wellness routines as a way of life.

WHO IS THIS PODCAST & COMMUNITY FOR?

This podcast is for ambitious women who are looking to live with more sustainable energy, confidence, mental clarity and ease. I’m your host Megan Swan, creator of the Wellness as a Way of Life course and the Sustainable Integrated Wellness Approach. I have more than a decade of experience in the wellness industry and on my own personal wellness journey – learning how to tune into and trust my intuition and drown out all the noise.

WHO IS MEGAN SWAN?

As a certified IIN Health Coach, Detoxification Expert, Plant-based Chef, Yoga Teacher and Coach I will help you distill down the information overload and feel more at ease in your own skin again. At 30 I sold everything to embark on my own “Eat, Pray, Love” journey of sorts and now at 44 I’m still on my first stop where I fell in love with one of my English students. We have two beautiful boys and three adorable dogs and love to travel and explore the lesser-known beaches of Mexico. I am also 5 years sober.

WHAT WILL YOU LEARN?

This podcast will teach you how less is more and that there is no one-size-fits-all in terms of wellness practices! It will also teach you how to identify which wellness trends are really for you, personalize them and make them a part of who you are instead of another checkmark on your to-do list. So, let’s Swan dive in!

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